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Exposing the LIES of the 20th Century | Aaron Bastani Meets Tariq Ali

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Our guest this week was born in 1943, in what was then British India - modern day Pakistan. Unlike most, who have learned history through books and second-hand sources, he has witnessed first-hand much of the 20th and 21st centuries. Tariq Ali founded Verso Books, the leading left-wing publishing house in Britain, as well as the New Left Review. He met Malcolm X, was friends with John Lennon and Hugo Chavez, and spearheaded the anti-Vietnam War movement. In conversation with Aaron Bastani, this week on Downstream, we are talking about the ways we remember - and misremember - the 20th century, and how these events have a long tail that shapes our present and future. How significant was the Cultural Revolution in China in sparking anti-colonial struggles across Asia? How do the dynamics of the Cold War still dominate the mainstream media? And who are the substantial political figures and ideologies set to dominate the next decades of the 21st century? 00:00 Intro 02:41 Growing Up after the Collapse of Empire 07:02 Leading the Anti-Vietnam War Movement 11:46 The Role of Imperial Japan in the 20th Century 15:43 Why We Donโ€™t Teach History Correctly 20:20 Increasing Government Control of Mainstream Media 26:20 Al Jazeera and US Interference 30:26 The Impact of the Soviet Unionโ€™s Collapse on the West 38:38 China and Ideology 45:37 Chinaโ€™s Rise 49:24 The US, Trump, and ICE 51:43 Did Tariq See the Collapse of the Soviet Union Coming? 1:03:59 The Naivety of Gorbachev 1:12:01 The Disappointment of Your Party 1:20:01 Should we โ€˜Nationalise Everything?โ€™ 1:23:05 The Threat of Farage 1:25:17 Are We Heading Towards a Post-Literary Society? 1:28:54 The Decline of Germany 1:35:18 Resolution for Ukraine 1:39:30 The Role of Democracy 1:43:51 Why Has the Left Failed to Build Institutions? The Islam Quintet by Tariq Ali is available from Verso Books here: https://www.versobooks.com/blogs/news/tariq-ali-a-leading-figure-of-the-international-left Join us at EartH Hackney on Monday 16 February to see Ash Sarkar in conversation with Aaron Bastani, discussing 'Why the Right is Winning': https://dice.fm/event/wwrypg-downstream-irl-aaron-bastani-in-conversation-with-ash-sarkar-16th-feb-earth-london-tickets Sign up for the new Downstream Newsletter here: https://novaramedia.com/newsletters/t... Support our work: http://novara.media/support Buy Novara Media merch: https://shop.novaramedia.com/

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@AlJalandhari
damn he looks and speaks great for 82
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@celestecanyon
Wish to be as physically and mentally sharp as this at 83
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@eleidal
Wow when he described his own experiences in the USSR in the 80s, that was wild
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@DannyJKay
Tariq is a classical intellectual. Very well read, well-connected, and a formidable debater. He is also infected with a Gorbachevian naivety.
@jws5871
China's resistance in WW2 should definitely be taught in schools.
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@rmzk1783
The fall of USSR and the Murdock takeover of the English language press was probably the point where jounalism went south.
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@harryf6358
Stop calling them elites.that implies they are the best, good. The are selfish parasites living off the rest of us.leeches
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@thomasdouglas2732
Why did you end there? Tariq was just getting going! Stamina Aaron, you're only 41 :) Great interview. I hope there will be a part two someday.
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@TedThomasTT
We need more episodes like this.
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@SteveRogers461
OMG Tariq Ali is a LEGEND !!! ๐Ÿ™๐Ÿ™๐Ÿ™
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@fairdose
Why'd it take so long for Novara to bring Tariq Ali on as a guest? More outlets on YT and social media need to have him on more often because the younglings have no idea what a giant of the left Comrade Tariq is.
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@joelevans638
Holy hell this guy is 83 y/o goals. Sharp as a tack in every regard.
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@christinecoghill2679
More from this man if possible. I will reread his book Clash of Civilations. Please interview agin if possible.
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@JayeshPatel-ct5ps
At last!! They've finally got him on.
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@allanbeeney7881
Loved this discussion I am so old I can remember Tariq as the firebrand leader of the IMG
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